I know that this isn’t going to gain me any new likes and may drop a few peeps but I have to say it anyways. Actually… I don’t have to say it. I could choose to be all squeaky clean and love and light and rainbows and not speak it how it is. But I’m not like that; I’m not going to pretend to be all nice and loving when people need to be confronted with the truth. So what are we talking about? Dabblers! If it is one thing that I cannot stand it is ignorant people who dabble in the Occult. It infuriates me. I find it disrespectful and damaging. Not just damaging to the person but it can be quite damaging to the energies around them, the people they influence etc…
I’ve noticed a huge increase in people who say they ‘Dabble’ and it bugs me. I try to be respectful and just let them do what they please but I feel it is a slap in the face to ME, To my people, to Witchcraft as a whole because it isn’t something you ‘dabble’ in. I have spent my life understanding and working with the craft, I still do and will always and here you have people who ‘play’ and think they can find a Spell online or in a book and just do what it asks and they can call on ‘daemons’ and get things done for them. It works and that is cool for them but then they don’t understand how to release, they don’t understand what it means to make a ‘pact’ or what it means to really finish the entire work. I have had to clean up quite a few messes and it was all due to the ignorance of someone thinking that Witchcraft was something they could just play with and not something that actually required them to think or study or do actual work.
What are your thoughts? Do you feel that ‘Dabbling’ is safe or dangerous? Does it irritate you or not? What do you do when you see this going around? Do you bite your tongue? Have you had to deal with these people and fix their messes?
I feel the dabbling is one of the most important gateways for people to get into the occult, paganism, witchcraft, and other aspects that would be represented here. It’s literally how I managed to get my ass on the train. I DO HOPE YOU FEEL LIKE I SLAPPED YOU, BECAUSE CLEARLY MY DABBLING WAS ABOUT YOU, RIGHT?
No. It wasn’t. But I do hope you get over that sore cheek, because I’m pretty sure I slapped you into next fucking tuesday of 2112. Because it’s people like you who told me that I didn’t know what I was messing with and didn’t know what I was doing, that showed me how little they knew of what witchcraft was and how witchcraft can be gained through working out experiments and trying things for myself.
Don’t worry, I piss on them and you every day that I work my witchcraft, going almost on 14 years here. So fuck you, and have a nice day.
Oh and don’t worry, you don’t have to clean up any messes from me, deary, since I fucking had little to no messes to start with and if I did, I fucking dealt with them myself, as priority for the course. BUT CLEARLY ALL DABBLERS CAN’T CLEAN HOUSE IF THEY DAMN DABBLERZ RIGHT? Please.
No, I don’t have a problem with Dabblers. Dabbling is good in the respects of, hey let’s try this out. Witchcraft, spellwork, paganism, etc may not be for someone, and taking the chance the moment to spend some time with it, to do a luck spell or to do a money spell, to see if there’s any kind of religious or non-religious angle waiting there for someone to try to get into, is all important.
Maybe you were raised with it, maybe you had family members teaching you from the beginning of your life about witchcraft, maybe you had that option, but I surely didn’t, and a lot of other people don’t either. The only way to get access to that was practicing it through dabbling and speaking with a large grouping of people about it, and how to work it and how they work it. And their views based on my experiences with working it.
and if you weren’t raised with it, taught by parents, etc. How the fuck did you get to practicing it? Think about it.
By working through different forms of spellwork, by sitting down and making contracts with spirits (which by the way, I know how to do based on dabbling with it, thank you. Please sit down before you hurt yourself with your arrogance that one cannot possibly understand the concept of a contract or a pact outside of witchcraft.), by doing divinations, by having little experiments here and there through some of the most “common knowledge” myths of the witchcraft community, I built my practice from the ground up. Totally unique to myself, totally shifting and ever changing, and totally based around fresh experiences that I work myself.
Dabbling *IS* important. Dabbling *IS NOT* an insult to your practice. Dabbling is NOT any of your business, unless someone makes it about you and makes it about your business (which clearly someone decided in their infinite wisdom to let *YOU* begrudgingly handle their business, based on that collection of sentences right there. So basically you’re just pissy about having to deal with someone else’s problems? Could have fucking said no. Just an FYI.). Dabbling *IS NOT* a slap in your face, despite how wounded you might feel over it, because it’s not about you.
Witchcraft is not a thing which requires “study” ever day all day, for the rest of your life. That’s a myth that is perpetuated by the vast New Age Authors and their collection of holier than thou mentality. Sometimes life is more important that Witchcraft. People have things to do, besides sit down and arm chair witchcraft for the rest of their lives. People have things to do like pay their bills, work on their education, go to their jobs, take care of their children, try to feed and care for themselves, work through their own problems, etc. Not everyone has time to spend 10 minutes out of their day to work on a witchcraft thing, every damn day. Likewise, how much studying are you gonna do for, let’s say one element of witchcraft.
Let’s just say your witchcraft practice, is solely white-candle-pillar-paraffin-wax candles that you charge and burn. That’s the whole practice, every spell, all day every day. You only need to learn that … ONCE. And you’re done. You only need to study that, ONCE, and you’re done.
What you’re going to study that candle-spell-for-everything-practice every day for the rest of your life? That doesn’t make any sense. A complete practice, needs only to be learned once, and then worked for every the same way all the time. Which is exactly why I don’t call my practice a “complete practice.” I almost never do the same thing twice.
So it really doesn’t make sense that once you learn a complete practice (now let’s include other things there), to continue to sit there and “study” it unless you intend to improve upon the design? In which case that’s an entirely different topic, which is not about studying it, but about moving it forward.
Unless you’d like to argue that witchcraft is some kind of religious or spiritual entanglement, in which case, lol. Not always. Sometimes witchcraft can be a religion or a spiritual practice, but it doesn’t have to be. It really doesn’t have to be.
In any case, let me answer your “Is Dabbling Dangerous”?
It can be. Sure you can set fire to your eyebrows, call up a demon by accident (and then have the best Uno night of your life 4 ever bffs with that demon), accidentally poison and kill your pets because you were reading some new age book that told you to go ahead and give your pets something which would kill them, you can fuck your whole life up by doing a rape spell [because now you are in jail you sick fuck], you can fuck someone else’s life up by doing an attraction spell which attracts everything like a magnet to that person, good bad ugly, but hey that’s kinda the point of dabbling.
"Fuck it. Let’s see what happens."
Having that ignorance, having zero expectations, having no plans for what will happen, having no beliefs set and ready to go, makes for a deep learning experience. And that may not be a positive thing. It may be something that haunts that person for the rest of their lives, because of that decision.
Which is why you don’t fucking turn around and ‘shame’ someone for dabbling - because they may already be living in a mess that they made themselves because of their dabbling. What you do, to deal with that, is to make sure they take responsibility for their actions, and should THEY ask YOU for help, and should YOU give a shit to give help, then give help. But otherwise, leave them be. Sink or swim. Fuck it. Let’s see what happens. Because if you’re not going to help them, then why are you adding on to their misery. If you’re going to complain about them asking you for help, why are you offering to listen to them? Why are you giving them your time. Clearly you think your time is better set for other things, so why are you even fucking bothering? I think the reason you’re bothering, is so you can feel good about yourself, rather than alleviate their problems. Which is just you stroking your ego-cock to the point of climax. So please, get it out of my face.
I’m a bit brutal about dabbling as a fellow dabbler.
If I asked for help - which I’m sure I did - i’m not stupid or arrogant enough to say that I never needed help, it was not “hey can you fix my problem” it was hey, how would you handle this problem. Or if I had heard something that potentially might be a problem, I’d ask folks if I really needed to, if I couldn’t figure it out. Again, asking how they would handle it. Which is something that as a dabbling going in blindly, was probably a good thing, and not all dabblers do that.
They ask for people to fix their problems. They aren’t like me. I’m not saying that. And there’s no shame in that, you get overwhelmed, can’t deal with a problem, asking for help is not a bad fucking thing. It shouldn’t be something that people should feel BAD about asking for help. If you need help, you need help. Jesus. It’s not rocket science.
But if YOU, as the help giver, are only doing it to make yourself feel good, that shows me more about YOU than them.
And you know what, they can go right back to dabbling, and get themselves fucked up in something (probably the same thing) and ask for help AGAIN. Because that’s just how they work.
You don’t have to help them.
You have no obligation.
You can sit this one out.
I am telling you what you already know.
But to be sure, I don’t want to hear the word “dabbler” come out of your mouth not one bit ever again.
In any case, I don’t think there’s a “solution” to be had about it.
If you want to help people with their problems, then fucking help them and shut the fuck up about it. Spreading their business around like fucking Miracle Gro-bullshit.
If you don’t want to help people, then fucking don’t. And shut the fuck up about it.
This is more a bitch rant about helping people than it is about dealing with dabblers as a whole. Fuck you.
Yes! Totally agree with you, asksecularwitch. Dabbling is the singlebest way to get into magick/witchcraft. If someone comes to you promising to show you the one true way to do magick then you’re likely to end up with a very stunted spiritual development. Different people do better with different practices and nobody should be expected to right off know what is best for them. So experiment, dabble, fuck around with different styles and pantheons and see what you can get results with.
That said, dabbling should involve doing the work! Don’t be lazy with it, really trow yourself into your experiments. And you will fuck up, but so mote it be. If you do, drop by your local occult group and ask for advice. If they give you some more pagan than thou bullshit, find a better group!
And as far as disrespectful. Fuck that. Dabbling is no more disrespectful to established traditions than fan fiction is to cannon plot. Nobody has a right to tell you that you shouldn’t explore your own path where it leads you to explore. Do what thou wilt!
To be assured, there are some ways it can be disrespectful - see closed religion or closed practices which require one to be in the religion/practice before hand.
BUT it’s only in that case, for those established traditions which are closed.
I think it’s important to understand why a tradition is closed or why it keeps secrets. I can relate with my experience with the OTO. The OTO definitely has secret rituals. The reason for the secrecy amounts basically to the same reason why you don’t want to hear spoilers about a show you’re watching. It ruins the emotional impact of the ritual or initiation to know at an intellectual level ahead of time.
You can also have secret rituals or secret elements of rituals that become more potent by being isolated by secrecy.
Similarly you can have symbols within a group that are marks of position and within the group certain decorum is expected. A coven or other worknig group may have restrictions about who can wear what symbols, or make what actions. Such restrictions set up power dynamics. One should be pay attention to why these power dynamics exist and decide for oneself whether they are useful or not. I’m afraid in far too many cases they seem to be more about over-inflated egos than structure for effective spellwork.